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annontechsupport said\n
crosswordbob said\nAnyone who thinks that taking the law into your own hands is a suitable form of protest against a police action, please go have a look at what's happening in London right now, then explain that to the people whose homes and businesses are burning.\n
\n\nI wouldn't call that a protest. I would call that open revolt. I don't feel these 2 incidents are really comparable. \n\nVigilantes are individuals that may or may not be part of a group that look to make things right without regard for the law, rioters are a large group with the only discernible goal being to be as loud and disruptive as possible in order to be heard. It's sad when that desire to be heard results in destruction. Both are signs that something is very wrong when people feel that following the law will not be able to fix the problem.
\n\nWith respect, I think if you were to ask many of the people out on the streets of London over the last few days why they were doing what they were doing, you'd get the same sort of answer as you'd get from so-called "hacktavists". Some will even believe what they're saying. They are thugs, and their actions must be condemned, regardless of their spurious motives.\n\nIn terms of comparisons, let's not overlook stories such as: http://www.pcworld.com/article/237606/blackberry_blog_hacked_for_helping_police_quell_london_riots.html\n\n
Note: Another busy day and just venting here in this little corner of the internet to let off steam.
\n\nNo complaints here ", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "crosswordbob", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312996056000, "threadTimestamp": 1390256004775, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "7191a8c4437e47e182f0ad3cdcc35a8b", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "
crosswordbob said\nAnyone who thinks that taking the law into your own hands is a suitable form of protest against a police action, please go have a look at what's happening in London right now, then explain that to the people whose homes and businesses are burning.\n
\n\nI wouldn't call that a protest. I would call that open revolt. I don't feel these 2 incidents are really comparable. \n\nVigilantes are individuals that may or may not be part of a group that look to make things right without regard for the law, rioters are a large group with the only discernible goal being to be as loud and disruptive as possible in order to be heard. It's sad when that desire to be heard results in destruction. Both are signs that something is very wrong when people feel that following the law will not be able to fix the problem. \n\nThis is also a prime example of neglect, a government that ignores the needs of those who cannot do without, will eventually have to answer to those they deny services or treat harshly(You'd figure Britain would have learned that after losing the American colonies or by looking at what's been going on for years in Greece after most government services were cut).\n\nOf course, it is also my opinion that all those in the public office should be acting as volunteers, if anything, only being compensated for the days they miss from their real jobs at the same income as they would make with those jobs. Those in the central government(in DC) would be provided with an assigned apartment/dorm where they could rest and relax away from work as is often needed. State government would probably have to have this as well.\n\nThis would be an appropriate excuse to miss work and "a politician" will no longer be a career path. Truly, this might even make the government more community centric as opposed to big business and lobbyist centric. \n\nThis would be at least different than what we have now, which is it's own failboat. Obviously, there would be a lot of details that need to be looked into, such as donations and/or campaign funding for those running for a state/central position.\n\nThink about it, how much more money would the government have if the "wealthy welfare plan" for those that have served in the house, senate or presidency was cut? Millions? Billions? Maybe even trillions? Not that this will ever happen, but just saying.\n\nNote: Another busy day and just venting here in this little corner of the internet to let off steam.", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "annontechsupport", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312906563000, "threadTimestamp": 1390256009340, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "074ea083ec9e43509eded031130e003e", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "Anyone who thinks that taking the law into your own hands is a suitable form of protest against a police action, please go have a look at what's happening in London right now, then explain that to the people whose homes and businesses are burning.", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "crosswordbob", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312840754000, "threadTimestamp": 1390256004709, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "be75678ba09949d49da8b0d3fd1724bd", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "
BlueCollarCritic said\n
crosswordbob said\n
Follisimo0smi said\nPersonally I'd love to see what these things contain. I wonder if they have bad references from reviews on them or something. I'm sure we have plenty of racist cops and probably ones with criminal backgrounds themselves.\n
\nSo we should put all cops', their families' and confidential informants' lives at risk because you think some police officers might be bad?\n
\n\nThe cops lump all the public together making no difference between the innocent bystanders and the true criminals. In fact there are more and more instances of criminals being let go and innocents being pursued like the homeless guy in California that the police beat to death recently. The same incident where the police refuse to release the video footage despite the number of witnesses who say the man was the victim and not the criminal. They wont release it because they know it will expose the cover up, the same type of cover-up going on across the country in small and large police departments everywhere. \n\nShould good cops and their families be innocent victims? No but neither should those of us in the public but since the good cops are not standing up to the bad ones and doping something the public is left with little choice but to fight back thru exposure of corrupt actions by police. \n\nIm betting youve not yet been a victim of police brutality or have a loved one or family member who has so its easy to be critical of those who have. Just wait and with enough time you or someone you know will become a victim of police brutality as it grows if nothing is done to stop it.\n
\n\nThe answer to lawlessness is not more lawlessness. You want to take the high road over bad cops? Don't act like them.", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "crosswordbob", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312833144000, "threadTimestamp": 1390256003168, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "0d8a1e6aeee2462dade37310de8d7ae8", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "
QUADICON said \nWe could actually use a few vigilantes. Why not? If you cant trust your leaders you can trust the vigilantes because they were the same people who suffered like we all do. They understand.
\n\nNave, simplistic rot. What about the vigilantes that chased a paediatrician out of her home because they didn't realise there was a difference between paediatrician and paedophile? That the kind of vigilantes you want? No, I'm not going to grace the rest of this idiotic post with a response.", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "crosswordbob", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312832904000, "threadTimestamp": 1390256001624, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "519f40b8832849848bae16227e2482ff", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "
QUADICON said\nSure why not?! And here is my reason why. 2 wrongs certainly dont make a right.
\n\nNice. In your very first sentence of your explanation you disprove your entire point. Now let me ignore all your cherry-picked and/or made up stories, because even if you can find 100 bad cops, you've barely scratched the surface of all cops.\n\n
QUADICON saidNow I wont say how I feel about cops. All I can say is they all are felons with badges.
\n\nYou're on form today; there's another instance of you contradicting yourself.\n\n
QUADICON saidALL COPS ARE BAD...PERIOD. Most guys or females even, become cops just so they can take out on others what bad things may have happened to them in their life. Now please tell me I am lying so I can give you a full list of examples.
\n\nOK then, since you asked: you are lying, Now unless your list of examples doesn't include every single cop in America, please don't bother listing them. I won't read them.", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "crosswordbob", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312832629000, "threadTimestamp": 1390255999920, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "b16806922fc14dac94b54eccfc2ec02c", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "Paul (articles author)- \n\nIt’s a tragedy when innocent bystanders are caught in the cross fire of 2 warring entities regardless of what side those innocents are one. I have no doubt that more than a few Americans had a difficult time with the bombing raids they did in WW2 knowing that they could have dropped some on innocent German citizens ( the ones who wanted nothing to do with Hitler and his war ) however they persisted because had they not done something Hitler’s dream of a worldwide tyranny would have come to past.\n\nYou can try and spin this all you want and make it look like the police are the innocent victims of some outlaw hackers but that is just spin. For years now the level of police brutality and corruption has grown exponentially and more and more Americans are seeing this and coming to realize that much of what the media says is at best doctored up spin and in some cases outright lies. \n\nWhile it’s possible that the Anonymous attacks are fake government lead actions to create a panic stir and get citizens to agree with giving up more of their freedoms , liberties and privacy thru greater control over the internet by government but it’s also possible that these are genuine hackers trying to fight back against the corruption the only way they know how to. \n\nRegardless of what the truth is as a reporter its your duty to report in an unbiased fashion and if you are going to be critical of actions by anonymous you darn well better be just as aggressively after the corrupt actions by police. Denying that this is going on or trying to downplay its extent only goes to make you look like you are not reporting but providing spin.", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "BlueCollarCritic", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312824156000, "threadTimestamp": 1390256006117, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "6ac7ab9853a440f4a53365bc23600d0c", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "
crosswordbob said\n
Follisimo0smi said\nPersonally I'd love to see what these things contain. I wonder if they have bad references from reviews on them or something. I'm sure we have plenty of racist cops and probably ones with criminal backgrounds themselves.\n
\nSo we should put all cops', their families' and confidential informants' lives at risk because you think some police officers might be bad?\n
\n\nThe cops lump all the public together making no difference between the innocent bystanders and the true criminals. In fact there are more and more instances of criminals being let go and innocents being pursued like the homeless guy in California that the police beat to death recently. The same incident where the police refuse to release the video footage despite the number of witnesses who say the man was the victim and not the criminal. They wont release it because they know it will expose the cover up, the same type of cover-up going on across the country in small and large police departments everywhere. \n\nShould good cops and their families be innocent victims? No but neither should those of us in the public but since the good cops are not standing up to the bad ones and doping something the public is left with little choice but to fight back thru exposure of corrupt actions by police. \n\nIm betting youve not yet been a victim of police brutality or have a loved one or family member who has so its easy to be critical of those who have. Just wait and with enough time you or someone you know will become a victim of police brutality as it grows if nothing is done to stop it.", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "BlueCollarCritic", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312823287000, "threadTimestamp": 1390256006132, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "398445dc2fa14d229c6a6164b8ef025a", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "
crosswordbob said\n
Follisimo0smi said\nPersonally I'd love to see what these things contain. I wonder if they have bad references from reviews on them or something. I'm sure we have plenty of racist cops and probably ones with criminal backgrounds themselves.\n
\nSo we should put all cops', their families' and confidential informants' lives at risk because you think some police officers might be bad?\n
\n\nYes. And while we're at it, we will protect everyone from people getting their personal information put out there to be stolen by placing everyone's personal information in a huge online database that anyone can access at a whim. This includes jobs, titles, location by GPS, how much money you make, address, phone numbers and email addresses. All emails are now public domain too, anything you've ever said in an email can now be looked up online. No more stealing and blackmailing, it's already public!\n\nThink of the crime prevention if all anyone ever wanted to know about a person was freely available a Google away! This is a great idea!(/sarcasm)\n\nExtremist views are extremist. No good can come by only looking at the bad. A good strategist takes the good points of what's going on, addresses the bad points, then moves forward with new strategies towards better work in the future.\n\nSome groups should definitely be more open and should answer to the people that put them in power(i.e. the government). I understand the need to keep secrets, but the information being stolen and put out to the public is, 9 times out of 10, already out there to be exploited by a hacker due to people not thinking of their own security. Not blaming people for being mad that someone posted this information to the public, but chances are if these guys did it, someone else already has taken, exploited, or can exploit this information. \n\nThe amount of undetected hacking that goes on daily is astronomical, I look for these happenings all day as my job. Sometimes, it's the sys admin checking their work. Most of the time, it's an outsider.\n\nMaybe instead of just hacking these guys and releasing the information to prove they did it "in the name of fighting injustice and corruption" like they claim, perhaps they could also post useful information, i.e. when someone else may have done this beforehand or how long this vulnerability was available to be exploited instead of simply being an arrogant prick about it. Perhaps not making collateral damage would also be a great start, as it would show you are mindfull, moreso than the government and companies are, of those you are trying to help. I've stopped watching their press releases awhile back, so maybe I'm mistaken about how they are presenting themselves nowadays.\n\nThis is not excusing what happened here, and maybe doing things different will not change how a lot of people view what they do, but perhaps other things could have been done to cast the perpetrators in a more positive light than what they are doing now. You attract more flies with honey than with vinegar, as the saying goes. \n\nOn the other hand, at least people aren't being killed like with so many "revolutions" that are happening in this world right now.\n\n", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "annontechsupport", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312819407000, "threadTimestamp": 1390256008535, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "c22d7bb7deca448e87f812ed727cbcbb", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "
aknuth said\nObviously, I haven't seen the info Anonymous has released, but training files, home addresses and phone numbers, informant data? Hardly sounds like anything that points to corruption. Sounds more like the kind of stuff criminals would use to disrupt honest police operations and endanger cops and the people they work with.\n\nIf they have uncovered real evidence of corruption, let them post that and leave the rest off the Net. \n\nPerhaps the "misfits" would prefer a Mexican style of law enforcement, where blaming a few corrupt cops means open shooting season on all police. \n\nIf they really are posting sensitive info, then they are guilty of at least reckless endangerment, and if I were a prosecutor, I would seriously consider accessory to murder if even one informant or cop lost their life because of their actions.\n
\n A line from Bugs Bunny..."Rabbit season, duck season. Rabbit season, duck season." Cop Season....muhahahahahaha!!!!", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "QUADICON", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312819362000, "threadTimestamp": 1390255996023, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "fdb54db52de94e949235628f7931c648", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "
nonseq said\n
alfordtl said\nWith anarchy comes "survival of the fittest" and "might makes right" and abrogation of the social contract. At least that's my view. Others will disagree. \n\nCount me as one. Have you seen the benefits that legislators earn? If more people realized it, things would change. Police covering police tracks is not part of my \ncontract.\n
\n\nSo who will watch the watchers? Do you think anarchy is the solution? Do you want a group of cowardly self appointed vigilantes making decisions for you?\n\nDo you share the delusion that these releases will somehow address the very real amd reprehensible violations perpetrated by corrupt governments and corporations, not to mention fanatics?\n\nI firmly believe that anonymous and antisec will do more to ensure that Internet freedoms are abridged than any corporation.\n
\n\nHey Batman isnt a coward. If all the cops knew who he was, even tho he was helping to get the bad guys, they would arrest him bec of how he did it. \nWe could actually use a few vigilantes. Why not? If you cant trust your leaders you can trust the vigilantes because they were the same people who suffered like we all do. They understand.\n\nLook at fight over raising the debt ceiling. Bush raised it 7 times in 8 years. The nation is in huge debt that Obama is being blamed for and it isnt even his fault. The smucks that got us n this predicament are all on wall street having parties at the expense of taxpayers. Not one saw a day in jail. And politicians are doing all they can to protect them, inclduing the President. They are all crooks yes we know that. But some pople dont really see how crooked they all are. They are so busy playing with their games, and phones and watching tv; that they miss what is going on in the real world.\n\nCops are mad bec many are taking cuts in pay, cuts in staff making them work harder and they are taking their anger out on us. Yes I say even out the odds. Maybe if they have a fear of somethign to lose they will wise up. If they don't? Well sucks for them. The wrong cop may kill the wrongs person child one day and that parent isnt going to call 9/11. They are going to Google and find the cop and head to his house and exterminate his family. If that a good idea? No! \n\nBut as Chris Rock said about OJ and Nicole. "She was sleeping with another man in a hose he paid for, driving him around in his car"..."I am not saying he should have killed her, but I understand"\nI personally wont do anything to anyone, doesn't mean I am against anyone who has a legitimate reason for doing so. You need to read up on the latest string of cop crimes here in Chicago where cops aving literally been getting away with murder. I say, its time for the tables to be turned. Since no one is getting fired, no one is losing their jobs; they need to lose something. Eye for an eye...right? Do onto others what you would have them do unto you.\n\nI dont have a problem with it. \nI hope anti-sec releases even more. Especially on our gov't and all their hengemen...namely law enforcement. Bec lately they have no t been enforcing law.\n\nMy mom just told me over weekend, that people have been calling the cops and calling 9/11, and the cops arent even showing up at all. Yet we pay THEIR paychecks. Their checks come OUR taxpayers dollars. if we call they are suppose o come, if they dont want to they should be fired. You job is to serve and protect and lately cops have been slaughtering and killing and they deserve equal justice.", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "QUADICON", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312819108000, "threadTimestamp": 1390255993633, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "f0fad6ba291d4558a33cc32948d37886", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "
crosswordbob said\n
Follisimo0smi said\nPersonally I'd love to see what these things contain. I wonder if they have bad references from reviews on them or something. I'm sure we have plenty of racist cops and probably ones with criminal backgrounds themselves.\n
\nSo we should put all cops', their families' and confidential informants' lives at risk because you think some police officers might be bad?\n
\n\nSure why not?! And here is my reason why. 2 wrongs certainly dont make a right. However, here in Chicago in just this year alone, the cops have killed several people. There claim in all cases? The person had a gun. 5 cops recently were placed on administrative leave bec they killed a young black kid. Reports goes as follows: Some called 9/11 saying that shots were being fired from an overpass above a busy highway. When cops arrived they found a couple teens who didn't have a gun but were throwing rocks or something at cars. Bases on facts in the case, the cops actually simply pulled up and started firing on the kids and killed one of them. Turns out they had no gun. So the cops planted on on the seen and then tried to cover up the story.\n\nTHis isn't the only one. A man who was deaf in one ear was being pulled over bec the cops calimed they saw erratic bahavior. He didnt see them for whatever reason do they block him at the next stop sign. The ccps approached the car with guns drawn. The guy had not one but both hands in the air based on witness testimoney and bec he didnt hear them they open fire. They later calimed the guy had a gun in his right hand. Well one of the shots fired was through the back of the mans hand and he had no gun.\n\nCops in Miami forensics stant shot at a guy they though was a drug runner. They chansed him into a hallway and open fired when he reached for his back pocket. They shot over 60 times with 42 bullets hitting the guy. The guy spoke no english and wa reaching for his wallet. Cops calim? We though he had a gun. Yes if u been a cop for more than a year, what gun will fit in the back pocket of apair jeans shaped like a square. Even a 9 mm isnt shaped like a wallet.\n\nWhat abouut the off duty cop that beat a female waitress at a bar bec she refused to serve him more alcohol when he was already drunk?\nWhat about a cop who was drunk and driving home and he slammed into a disable vehicle on the highway. The cops did no breathelizer test when they took him to the hospital. Yet video shows he had seveal shots just before leaving the place.\n\nAnother case shows a cop beating a man with his knightstick. The calim was the guy was resisting arrest. The man was on his knees trying to block the hits from the cop. A neaighbor who recorded it along with the camera in the squad car show the guy NEVER resitsed arrest and when the neaignbor came out t o ask what si going on. the cop drew his gun and told him this is none of your business go back inside.\n\n2 cops here in Chicago saw a female who was upset after a argument with her BF. They offered her a ride home. One force the owmen to have sex with him in the SUV and then took her to her hoise an did it yet again. He left some belongings behind. They have recently been found guilty.\n\nAre all cops bad? YES THEY ARE. Please tell me you can walk into a police station and point ay any cop and say he isnt.\nNow I wont say how I feel about cops. All I can say is they all are felons with badges. Yes there are a few good cops. However they have this rule, like in baseball. They dont tell on their own. Even if the cop themselves didnt commit a crime, they watch their partner do it. That crap they show on tv isnt made up.\n\nSo as far as I am concerned, lets even ot the odds. for these rogue cops who think they are untouchable, lets placed where they live online so when they do something they aint got no business, we know where they live and justice will be served one way or another.\n\nALL COPS ARE BAD...PERIOD. Most guys or females even, become cops just so they can take out on others what bad things may have happened to them in their life. Now please tell me I am lying so I can give you a full list of examples.\n\nPoliticians, cops, and all agancies that are similar are all subjective to lying and crimes. They uphold those they like, and those that dont want to paly get busted. e.g...leatest string of Illinois Governors. These people are our leaders and we are suppose to trust them with our lives, and yet they are taking our lives from us in one form or another. I say leak all their information online. Why not?!", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "QUADICON", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312818202000, "threadTimestamp": 1390255992061, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "c8b48a6cda834618b3b6f52b7025d5b3", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "Obviously, I haven't seen the info Anonymous has released, but training files, home addresses and phone numbers, informant data? Hardly sounds like anything that points to corruption. Sounds more like the kind of stuff criminals would use to disrupt honest police operations and endanger cops and the people they work with.\n\nIf they have uncovered real evidence of corruption, let them post that and leave the rest off the Net. \n\nPerhaps the "misfits" would prefer a Mexican style of law enforcement, where blaming a few corrupt cops means open shooting season on all police. \n\nIf they really are posting sensitive info, then they are guilty of at least reckless endangerment, and if I were a prosecutor, I would seriously consider accessory to murder if even one informant or cop lost their life because of their actions.", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "aknuth", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312769204000, "threadTimestamp": 1390255979453, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "2ce26e3269a24759867e601d5f946c07", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "If these hackers would just concentrate on files that show some indication of wrong-doing by these police departments (charges covered up, police harassment, "wild" cops like that one in Canton, OH), it is likely the people would be more supportive of their actions.\n\nWhat they are doing now hurts very few in "authoritative positions" and has the potential for far too much "collateral damage" to innocent bystanders.", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "JTF243", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312768432000, "threadTimestamp": 1390255981465, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "9c043a8a10b54ba790a73b2d29f931d4", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "
alfordtl said\nWith anarchy comes "survival of the fittest" and "might makes right" and abrogation of the social contract. At least that's my view. Others will disagree. \n\nCount me as one. Have you seen the benefits that legislators earn? If more people realized it, things would change. Police covering police tracks is not part of my \ncontract.\n
\n\nSo who will watch the watchers? Do you think anarchy is the solution? Do you want a group of cowardly self appointed vigilantes making decisions for you?\n\nDo you share the delusion that these releases will somehow address the very real amd reprehensible violations perpetrated by corrupt governments and corporations, not to mention fanatics?\n\nI firmly believe that anonymous and antisec will do more to ensure that Internet freedoms are abridged than any corporation.", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "nonseq", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312760467000, "threadTimestamp": 1390255988535, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "055de493ef5d46de90dda86e10f8f4af", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "
alfordtl said\nWith anarchy comes "survival of the fittest" and "might makes right" and abrogation of the social contract. At least that's my view. Others will disagree. \n\nCount me as one. Have you seen the benefits that legislators earn? If more people realized it, things would change. Police covering police tracks is not part of my contract.\n
\n\nYour argument has some value, but this is the way it is in all countries -- not just the western ones. The ulitmate result: "Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss."\n\nBTW, I'm sure that everyone in the U.S. is well aware of how corrupt our government is. Information is not what we need to turn things around here -- what we need is effective, honest leadership. I certainly see none of that coming from Annonymous or any similar group. In fact, I see only the opposite...", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "ronin7752", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312758679000, "threadTimestamp": 1390255985428, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "c1f82d1dadc44d56aa7b72a0ee3890e3", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "
AlexHumva said\nAll these actions suggest they want a war with the police, and by extension, the government. They've all but said it, actually. But by 'combating corruption' they encourage it further; freedom is lost during times of crisis. They're just giving the government a bigger excuse to crack down on the internet. So innocents get caught in the crossfire, and ultimately they'll lose anyways. This... is pointless, counterproductive, and all in all, a waste of time and freedom.\n
\n\nCouldn't agree more. This is a group of immature anarchists who believe themselves to be "Robin Hoods". If they really cared about the grassroots Internet users, and wanted to defend them against injustices, they's be attacking the Russian mobsters who bilk them out of billions of dollars every year, and exposing the government activity in China and North Korea as often as they do western governments. I can't help but wonder whether they lack the skills or the courage to hit the targets like those... probably both.", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "ronin7752", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312758143000, "threadTimestamp": 1390255983977, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "17c77bf76e4c4b899ca0c81c5a3f983d", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "It is certainly open warfare. I can't help but wonder when and where the killing starts. If these things continue as they are, sooner or later, someone is going to be killed. Not by the hacking itself but by the actions they bring about.\n\nNobody likes to be humiliated. nobody likes their private affairs publicized. Would you like the whole world to know the exact words you shared with your spouse the last time you had an argument? These things happen. They are not good things, but they do happen.\n\nIt is just a matter of time before someone feels he or she is justified in disposing of the problem permanetly. Elimination is so final.", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "TheOldTopkick", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312749328000, "threadTimestamp": 1390255982511, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "a08ffd5ba8fa432e82083ae6cdc8a1ba", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "With anarchy comes "survival of the fittest" and "might makes right" and abrogation of the social contract. At least that's my view. Others will disagree. \n\nCount me as one. Have you seen the benefits that legislators earn? If more people realized it, things would change. Police covering police tracks is not part of my contract.", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "alfordtl", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312747856000, "threadTimestamp": 1390255990155, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "0b35b17dd6524d4b9c6347480f936940", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "
Yargs said\nThe anonymous motto--"We do not forget. We do not forgive"--seems more appropriate for an omniscient, misanthropic Puritan god than for a group of self-appointed online vigilantes. I would recommend a change to something with a bit less hubris and a bit more human-scale accuracy, such as "We do not admit making mistakes. We do not apologize."\n
\n\nWouldn't it be better put as, "We do not care about anything but satisfying our own personal needs. Hiding behind a shield of lies so the world won't see us for who we truly are - a bunch of misfits. Misfits that never learned how to deal with our own shortcomings, so we take it out on the rest of the world so that we may feel better about ourselves.", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "chosenson", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312727764000, "threadTimestamp": 1390255982420, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "9511a0afe01b45d794ba5d1ae27def97", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "The anonymous motto--"We do not forget. We do not forgive"--seems more appropriate for an omniscient, misanthropic Puritan god than for a group of self-appointed online vigilantes. I would recommend a change to something with a bit less hubris and a bit more human-scale accuracy, such as "We do not admit making mistakes. We do not apologize."", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "Yargs", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312674376000, "threadTimestamp": 1390255980532, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "336cde75d3c847b28f2c6b9a78dddbb1", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "
Follisimo0smi said\nPersonally I'd love to see what these things contain. I wonder if they have bad references from reviews on them or something. I'm sure we have plenty of racist cops and probably ones with criminal backgrounds themselves.\n
\n\nAnd once you "know" about that stuff, what do you plan to do with that knowledge? Fact check, confirm, get context? Or do you plan to post about it on forums and chatrooms and be content in the "knowing"? \n\nAnarchy seems so romantic to those who haven't considered the consequences of chaos. With anarchy comes "survival of the fittest" and "might makes right" and abrogation of the social contract. At least that's my view. Others will disagree. I will confess that having said that, I can't respect the opinion of those who see virtue in selfishness. That view, in my opinion, is shortsighted and ultimately self destructive.", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "nonseq", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312672456000, "threadTimestamp": 1390255986975, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "e5f3dc3011d44bbaa91f9ee4e79f69bc", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "
Follisimo0smi said\nPersonally I'd love to see what these things contain. I wonder if they have bad references from reviews on them or something. I'm sure we have plenty of racist cops and probably ones with criminal backgrounds themselves.\n
\nSo we should put all cops', their families' and confidential informants' lives at risk because you think some police officers might be bad?", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "crosswordbob", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312671759000, "threadTimestamp": 1390255998834, "status": "published" }, { "ID": "ce95c06a1c734ecb9181ce6d4863f260", "streamId": "237459", "threadID": "", "isModerator": false, "commentText": "Personally I'd love to see what these things contain. I wonder if they have bad references from reviews on them or something. I'm sure we have plenty of racist cops and probably ones with criminal backgrounds themselves.", "TotalVotes": 0, "posVotes": 0, "vote": "none", "sender": { "name": "Follisimo0smi", "isSelf": false }, "flagCount": 0, "highlightGroups": [], "edited": false, "timestamp": 1312671481000, "threadTimestamp": 1390256006958, "status": "published" } ], "commentCount": 25, "next": "ts_1312671481000", "nextTS": 1312671481000, "hasMore": true, "statusCode": 200, "errorCode": 0, "statusReason": "OK", "callId": "263a576c742c4dd8851577c7c593105d", "time": "2016-11-04T00:32:57.812Z", "context": "R4284531053" });