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      "commentText": "Westminster seems inclined to get excited over just about anything at the moment.  <div><br /></div><div>However, one thing that the chatter in Westminster never quite seems to get is the directness in tone used by countries like Australia and Germany.  </div><div><br /></div><div>Rather like Mrs Merkel, if an Australian says 'no' it really does mean 'no'.  </div><div><br /></div><div>Write it up on the wall if you need to. Tattoo it on your forehead, maybe? <div><br /></div><div>You can sift it for shades of meaning all you want but in the end you'll look like a sort of silly, over-analytical schoolboy in way over his head.  </div></div>",
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      "commentText": "Not sure why we would get so excited about a trade deal with Australia! The transport costs to and from a country 9440 miles away is going to limit the products that can be traded!! We have 450 million potential customers 23 miles away, such a shame we will have to incur duties and taxes to trade with them!",
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          "commentText": "<div>The UK has a huge trade deficit with the EU and a huge trade surplus with the rest of the world including Australia. </div><div>The shift of UK trade to non EU countries has been going on for many years and is beneficial for the UK..</div>",
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      "commentText": "Australia has a deal with the EU going through ,may have already happened so they won't want to endanger that <div>Mr Ciobo has already told the UK that the special relationship is long gone. I have close ties with Australia and know the Aussies are laughing their socks off at what they view as the UK's stupidity. There is also a strong feeling  among republicans of \" let the Poms sink it's  their own bloo** mess let the clever b***ar** sort it out.</div>",
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          "commentText": "<div><div>\"<span>Australia has a deal with the EU going through\". </span>Let's hope the Walloons don't veto it once it's finally agreed in 2023, eh?</div><div><br /></div></div>",
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              "commentText": "It's been vetoed for the right reasons at least, while you will be forced to sell off your asse(t)ss just to be able to swim. <br /><br />A little fish in a big shark tank playing with a rubber duck.",
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      "commentText": "So Australia cannot start negotiating a trade deal with the UK because the EU law forbids such an agreement to be signed by an EU member with a non-EU state ? <br />Negotiations don't mean signing anything, do they ? And since when is Australia obligated by the EU law ?<br />It looks more like the Australians want to make sure that Britain actually leaves the EU. <br />Of course, Australia may want to respect the EU law but I think ( provided the UK is really going to leave the EU ) informal negotiations between Australia and the UK will start pretty soon, if they haven't started already. ",
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          "commentText": "They are playing it safe as the EU is more important to them than the UK. Bitter pill to swallow but if they really wanted a deal with you, they would have sat down informally to iron out details and sign the deal when you actually left... ",
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          "commentText": "\"<span>Meanwhile, the head of the World Trade Organisation has vowed to ensure Britain will not face a trade \"vacuum or a disruption\"\"</span><div><span><br /></span></div><div><span>Again, Britain's as* is being saved by someone else as you have no idea what you are doing. Got lucky again...</span></div><div><br /></div><div> Don't be so happy about this - you will still end up with large tariffs. </div>",
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      "commentText": "May is so cunning ...",
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      "commentText": "<span>... as cunning as a FOX what used to be Professor of Cunning at Oxford University but has moved on and is now working for the U.N. at the High Commission of International Cunning Planning.</span>",
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      "commentText": "<div>Unsurprising, Australia has started negotiating a FTA deal with the EU. As are most of the useful markets Liam Fox hopes to bag. </div><div>If the UK Govt. and Parliament decides not to opt for the Single market we should at least retain membership of the customs union and its FTAs, and additionally negotiate on non tariffs to avoid the EU continually tweaking the rules to the disadvantage of UK exporters. A comprehensive EU-UK FTA would take too long and limited in range of sectors. </div>",
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          "commentText": "\"<span>Australia has started negotiating a FTA deal with the EU.\" </span>Let's hope it's OK with the Walloons when they get to vote on it in 2023.",
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              "commentText": "Let's hope so as you will be just right after the EU in the queue ;)",
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                  "commentText": "But if we as an independent country agree a FTA with Australia, the Walloons can't veto it, can they?",
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